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Ustavimo prepoved EU pri prepovedi uporabe svinca v strelivu in ribištvu
#1
Danes sem prejel posredovano tole sporočilo, ki ga pošilja Vitaly Kryuchin, predsednik zveze IPSC. Gre za nov pritisk EU za prenehanje uporabe svinca v strelivu in ribiških utežeh.
Spodaj je širše pojasnilo in opis korakov kako to preprečiti.




Stop EU ban on lead ammunition and fishing loads. Follow the attached international Declaration and join to organisations of shooters, hunters and fishermen representing 1 000 000 people

Citat:Dear colleagues,
 
we encourage your organization to follow and join the attached Declaration to prevent from EU lead ban. Simply, send us your approval, send your address, logo and one sentence description who you represent and how many people you represent. Originally this declaration served only for Czech republic, where it has been very successful. In the Czech Republic, shooting, hunting and fishing organizations representing 1 million people joined and made such a pressure on politics that Czech parliament adopted a resolution against lead ban and Czech Ministry of Environment became one of very noisy advocates against lead ban in recent meetings of REACH committee.
 
We are very pleased that we see the interest from other countries, e.g. Slovak hunting chamber joined too, so we internationalized our declaration and translated it in English to get as many organizations from different countries as possible to join our declaration, so that our voice reaches the European Commission and other EU institutions. As you can see, the declaration contains many relevant arguments.
 
The European Commission has officially stated that 2020 should be the year of the ban on lead in wetlands, and by 2022 lead should be banned everywhere even outside wetlands for all types of ammunition (gunshot and rifle) and in fishing weights. This is an important thing, for many people it is a very restrictive matter.
 
At the EU level, two processes are currently running in parallel to ban lead ammunition and fishing weights:
1) lead ban on wetlands. This lead ban, which the European Commission is already planning for 2020, is declared a "ban on wetlands", but in fact this ban is supposed to be much broader due to vague legal definitions. Last week, February 4, 2020, a key meeting of REACH committee was held in Brussels on the ban on lead ammunition on wetlands. REACH is a 15 year old EU regulation containing over 500 pages of annexes on registration, evaluation, authorization and restriction of chemicals. It was success that representatives of the EU Member States (mostly officials of the Ministries of the Environment or Health) by a narrow blocking minority rejected the technically and legally bad draft of the European Commission 's, so EC will have to come with the revision by next meeting on April 29th 2020. It is worth noting that, as early as 19 November 2019, several states already opposed the previous version, so the European Commission had to revise the proposal to ban on wetlands, but the changes were only cosmetic. The problem is that the EC has proposed to introduce a protection buffer zones around wetlands of 300 meters, while it is not clearly defined what a wetland is. A wetland can therefore be any ditch, every brook, and it can also be a puddle after the rain. Another problem is that the EC is proposing a ban on possession, not just a ban on the use of lead shot. Basically, it means if that someone lives 300 meters from the ditch, and someone has lead shot at home, so it might be illegal. And, when you go to buy lead ammunition in the store and when go home or at the shooting range on the road through or around some water, according to extensive legal interpretation it will again be illegal.
 
2) total lead ban. At the end of last year, the European Commission determined that 2022 should be the year of a total ban on lead ammunition and fishing weight everywhere. This week, on 10 and 11 February 2020, the European Chemicals Agency ECHA in Helsinki has already negotiated this total ban with representatives of EU Member State ministries and the stakeholders - representatives of selected shooting, sporting and hunting organizations, as well as firearms and ammunition manufacturers. Unfortunately, both ECHA and the EC emphasize the so-called "precaution principle", which basically reverses the burden of proof - ie. that it is necessary to demonstrate that lead is not harmful in order not to be prohibited. ECHA will discuss the ban in 2 of its committees that give opinions to the EC, which will ultimately decide: the Committee for Risk Assessment (RAC) and the Committee for Socio-Economic Analysis (SEAC).
 
According to information from the participants, the situation looks bad for both prohibition processes on and off wetlands, because the lead ban is politically motivated and stakeholder expert's and security arguments are neglected. However, the situation is not completely lost and does not mean that we can do nothing. On the contrary, Member States have already twice returned the EC proposal for recasting.
 
So what else can be done?
1) Join our international challenge (in attachment), while you can reuse it in your country - just translate it into your language and deliver it to your Parliament, the government and responsible ministries (environment, agriculture) in your country, and ask politicians to oppose the ban on lead with the arguments set out in the Declaration - i.e. (un)safety of shooting with substitutes, (not)ecology of substitutes etc.
2) ask the politicians and officials responsible for the meetings of the REACH committees (list of ministries concerned here), ECHA RAC and ECHA SEAC to vote against or at least abstain (which has the same effect as  to be against).
3) ask promptly your Members of European parliament to help and get involved. MEPs can help with advice or political pressure. On Tuesday, February 18th 2020, European Parliament’s Committee on Environment (ENVI) has requested a discussion with the European Commission on lead in ammunition (see agenda point 19, list of its members are here).
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With Regards                                                                                                                                                                                                                             


   
Dr. Bohumil Straka
vice-president
LIGA LIBE, z.s.
Křižovnická 86/6 • 110 00 Praha 1 - Staré Město
e-mail straka@ligalibe.cz
www.ligalibe.cz
www.facebook.com/LIGA.LIBE
www.twitter.com/libeliga
www.instagram.com/ligalibe
   
Bohumil Straka

International committee
Czech-Moravian Hunting Union (ČMMJ)
 
   
www.cmmj.cz
Bohumil Straka
hunter, shooter, fisherman, falconer
tel. +420 777 071 722
e-mai: b@straka.eu

www.straka.eu
www.facebook.com/straka.bohumil
www.facebook.com/straka.bohous
www.twitter.com/BohumilStraka
www.instagram.com/bohumil.straka
 
 

 

Country
Organisation
Austria
Federal Ministry for Sustainability and Tourism
Bulgaria
Ministry of Environment and Water
Finland
Ministry of Social Affairs and Health
France
Ministry for an Ecological and Solidarity Transition;
Ministry of Environment
Germany
Federal  Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs (BMAS)
Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy (BMWI)
Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety (BMU)
Greece
General Chemical State Laboratory of Independent Authority for Public Revenue
Hungary
National Public Health Centre
Ireland
Health and Safety Authority
Italy
Ministry of the Environment, Land and Sea
Lithuania
Environmental Protection Agency
Malta
MCCAA
Poland
Ministry of Entrepreneurship and Technology;
Bureau for Chemical Substances
Slovakia
Ministry of Economy
Slovenia
Chemicals Office
 
 
Next very important addresses:
 
European Chemicals
Agency Committee for Risk Assessment RAC
P.O. Box 400 FI-00121
Helsinki Finland 
 
European Chemicals
Agency Committee for Socio-Economic Analysis SEAC
P.O. Box 400 FI-00121
Helsinki Finland
 
European Chemicals Agency
P.O. Box 400 FI-00121
Helsinki Finland 
 
 
REACH Committee
Directorate-General for Internal Market,
Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs
European Commission 
1049 Bruxelles/Brussel Belgium 
(email grow-general-information@ec.europa.eu )
 
 
REACH Committee Directorate-General 
for Environment European Commission 
1049 Bruxelles/Brussel Belgium




Some other information sources:
 
Information on the successful declaration of 1 000 000 Czech citizens against the lead ban:
 
Registry of restriction intentions until outcome:
 
EU Public consultation on lead ban 3rd October to 16th December 2019:
 
EC/ECHA official timetable for the ban on lead in and outside wetlands in 2020/2022
 
                                           
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One successful example to be followed:

Resolution of the Chamber of Deputies of the Parliament of the Czech Republic adopted on 24 September 2019 regarding lead.

Chamber of Deputies:
I. continues to ensure that the European Union institutions interfere disproportionately in the functioning system of control, registration, acquisition and possession of weapons and ammunition set up by the legislation of the Czech Republic;

II. Calls on the European Commission, when drafting and submitting any EU legislation, to pay due attention to the principle of proportionality and non-discrimination of EU Member States and not to abuse its right to issue implementing regulations with the so-called direct effect; EU;

III. calls on all EU institutions to take due account of the principle of proportionality and non-discrimination of EU Member States when drawing up and approving any EU legislation;

IV. calls on the Government to be active in negotiations with other EU members in the event of further steps in the regulation of lead in ammunition and fishing lead and the legal possession of weapons, thus ensuring the necessary support and allies to stop unjustified restrictions on citizens' rights;

V. Authorize the President of the Chamber of Deputies to inform the Prime Minister of the Czech Republic, the President of the European Commission, the President of the European Parliament and other representatives of the EU institutions and the parliaments of the Member States of the European Union.

 
 


--
Vitaly Kryuchin
IPSC President
ipsc.org
administrator / Strelec.si
Odgovori
#2
To so malo bolj lukavo naredil v Kaliforniji , brez splošne prepovedi so preprosto prepovedal rabo na streliščih in za lov.
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#3
Zanimivo kam vse se vtaknejo za neko pretvezo za ohranjanje narave? Ali ne kopljejo svinec iz zemlje?
Kar ne probaš ne veš
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#4
Da, ampak obstaja razlika. Svinec je v naravi pretežno v obliki svinčevega(II) sulfida oz. galenita (PbS), ki je v vodi praktično netopen.

Svinec v kroglah pa je v elementarni obliki in v zemlji sčasoma oksidira do svinčevega(II) oksida, karbonata, hidroksikarbonata, sulfata itd. Te spojine tvorijo pasivacijsko plast, ki ščiti pred nadaljnjo oksidacijo. V vodi (zlasti kisli) so resda topne, a slabo. Bral sem članek z Virginia Tech, kjer so ugotovili, da so koncentracije svinca ob backstopih sicer res visoke, izven meja strelišča pa drastično padejo.

Argument o varstvu okolja zato ne stoji na preveč trdnih tleh, tako ali tako pa ne verjamem, da je to resnični motiv za prepoved. Razen lokalizacije "onesnaženja" v primeru športnih strelcev je količina, ki jo porabimo strelci in lovci, pljunek v morje v primerjavi s strelivom, ki so ga postrelile evropske vojske v zadnjih 500 letih.
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#5
Pri tej prepovedi gre predvsem za zaščito ptic. Če vodne ptice pojedo šibro ali ribiško utež ponavadi poginejo. Isto je z ujedami, ki se hranijo z mrhovino ki je lahko ustreljena. Kisline v prebavnem traktu razgrajajo svinec. Pri ljudeh pa v tolikšni meri ne.
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#6
(25-02-2020, 13:27)Sherman Napisal: Da, ampak obstaja razlika. Svinec je v naravi pretežno v obliki svinčevega(II) sulfida oz. galenita (PbS), ki je v vodi praktično netopen.

Svinec v kroglah pa je v elementarni obliki in v zemlji sčasoma oksidira do svinčevega(II) oksida, karbonata, hidroksikarbonata, sulfata itd. Te spojine tvorijo pasivacijsko plast, ki ščiti pred nadaljnjo oksidacijo. V vodi (zlasti kisli) so resda topne, a slabo. Bral sem članek z Virginia Tech, kjer so ugotovili, da so koncentracije svinca ob backstopih sicer res visoke, izven meja strelišča pa drastično padejo.

Argument o varstvu okolja zato ne stoji na preveč trdnih tleh, tako ali tako pa ne verjamem, da je to resnični motiv za prepoved. Razen lokalizacije "onesnaženja" v primeru športnih strelcev je količina, ki jo porabimo strelci in lovci, pljunek v morje v primerjavi s strelivom, ki so ga postrelile evropske vojske v zadnjih 500 letih.

Vojske vrjeli ali ne že nekaj časa prehajajo na lead free strelivo iz ekoloških razlogov ,a oni dejansko trosijo vse naokoli , prepoved svinčenk za lov je prisotna  v raznih državah a , splošna prepoved je seveda čisto druga zgodba . Tu seveda ne gre za ekologijo ampak za omejevanje rabe orožja , najbolj elegantna omejitev je taka ,ki pripelje do tega da na trgu zmanjka streliva. 

Če se gre za ekologijo naj najprej začnejo baterije nabirat ,samo v Sloveniji se jih letno proda nekaj sto ton več ko se jih nabere v ločenih odpadkih.Toliko svinca se garantirano ne postreli tud če vojsko in policijo všteješ.
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#7
OK. Logično vprašanje je, koliko je življenjska doba streliva? Ker bomo verjetno začeli delat zaloge za 10 let naprej (nekateri jih že imajo).
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#8
Danes je bilo glasovanje za prvo fazo

https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en...-ENVI-1_vd

https://www.face.eu/2020/10/envi-vote-on-leadshot/

PS: rezultati glasovanja https://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/2...-votes.pdf
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#9
33 za, 42 proti
Pri naslednjem pa se vec proti.
Vsaj nekaj pameti.
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#10
Edino kar ne morem razbrat iz te misunge ali so zavrnali originalni predlog komisije ali so zavrnali pritozbo na predlog.
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#11
Ja iz gradiva sodeče je šlo za glasovanje na za pritožbo na predlog komisije ,a lahko se motim saj vse skupaj je precej nepregledno za nas ki se z tem ne ukvarjamo.
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#12
Žal so zavrnili pritožbo na predlog komisije in gre zadeva naprej v parlament

https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting...om-the-ec/
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#13
Skratka ni pameti.
Bomo videli ali gre samo pod pretvezo - No more lead shot over "wetlands".
Kako hitro je karkoli z orozjem povezano odpove vse. Cez 20 let, ko bo trenutna golazen pocrkala, bomo se pa skrivali pred drugimi fanatiki.
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#14
(30-10-2020, 14:47)MarkB Napisal: Skratka ni pameti.
Bomo videli ali gre samo pod pretvezo - No more lead shot over "wetlands".
Kako hitro je karkoli z orozjem povezano odpove vse. Cez 20 let, ko bo trenutna golazen pocrkala, bomo se pa skrivali pred drugimi fanatiki.

Sveda ge zadeva pod pretvezo dalje , projekt je pogorel na Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH) komiteju in tam bi se moralo končati, potem pa je komisija šla naokoli in na novo to lansirala najprej so ji pri European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) spisali priporočilo kako bad je to za ptiče in da bi bilo dobro to regulirat(prepovedat ) potem so pozvali še eko bio aktiviste iz NADEG – Expert Group on the Birds and Habitats Directives ,da zlobira člane v REACH .da se to spravi skozi , in se tudi bo . 

Ne vem kdo si še domišlja ,da se ti poltični projekti ustavijo pri kaki oviri. EU komisija je pribljižno tolk demokratična in pravno odgovorna kot kak kitajski politbiro /v praksi niti blizu ne pride ,politbiro je v primerjavi presežek demokracije)  ,edino kar jim preprečuje večjo uspešnost v njihovih projektiv je skrajna nesposobnost kadra. to so res največje rupe in politični luzerji, ki jih po članicah naberejo za te položaje.
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#15
(25-02-2020, 19:42)jernejm Napisal: OK. Logično vprašanje je, koliko je življenjska doba streliva? Ker bomo verjetno začeli delat zaloge za 10 let naprej (nekateri jih že imajo).

Za življensko dobo naboja ni problema vsaj kar se tiče smodnika za netilke pa ne vem.
Kar ne probaš ne veš
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#16
Vojne rezerve municija.
0-5 let
5-10 let
nad 10 let.
Z elaboracijo se ugotavlja stabilnost....... municije takšne in drugačne.
Kar pokaže laboratorijsko stabilnost na dolgi rok gre za vojne rezerve.
Tako je bilo pred mnogimi leti predavano na ŠRTO Tsl.Zagreb
s51o
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#17
Ravno v zadnjem lovcu je zanimiv članek o svinčenkah avtorja Gregorja Hodnika.Meni se tiste svinčenke,ki so prevlečene s poliestersko prevleko dopadejo že zaradi tega ker cev manj trpi in mislim,da so idealne za streljanje v tarčo.
Bi se kje dobilo take svinčenke za kal 308 Win?
Kar pa se tiče predlog tega zakona glede svinčenk se mi zdi trapast.Strelja se kjer so strelišča in jih ni veliko krogle se pa ve kam gredo razen mogoče v Žabjaku ko je žur.
Kar ne probaš ne veš
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#18
Seveda se dobi take tudi za puško, dela jih ARES, z njimi pa delaš kot s svinčenko, kar pomeni da moraš tudi v puški ostati pod cca 1500fps. To pomeni da jih moraš uporabljat v reduciranih polnitvah, kar pa precej poslabša realen rezultat na tarči.
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#19
(25-02-2020, 19:42)jernejm Napisal: OK. Logično vprašanje je, koliko je življenjska doba streliva? Ker bomo verjetno začeli delat zaloge za 10 let naprej (nekateri jih že imajo).

Predpisana življenjska doba smodnika je 5 let, to je uradna cifra. Po 5 letih se izvajajo periodični kontrolno tehnični pregledi z vzorci iz različnih šarž, na podlagi ugotovitev stabilnosti smodnika se podaljšuje rok uporabe. Vse pa je seveda odvisno od načina skladiščenja.

Strelivo izdelano v časih juge, se pravi naboji pakirani v konzervah za kalaše M67 je bilo boljše kvalitete kot sedaj.
“Razvoj strelskega športa je za obrambo domovine zelo pomemben. Zato moramo strelstvo negovati, širiti in podpirati.
Vsak športnik bi moral razen športne discipline, s katero se sicer ukvarja, poznati še strelstvo, kakor bi ga moral poznati tudi vsak naš državljan.”
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#20
(02-11-2020, 13:22)papamike Napisal: Strelivo izdelano v časih juge, se pravi naboji pakirani v konzervah za kalaše M67 je bilo boljše kvalitete kot sedaj.

In bolj korozivno.
“So I say, “Live and let live.” That’s my motto. “Live and let live.” And anyone who can’t go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherfucker. It’s a simple philosophy, but it’s always worked in our family.”
George Carlin
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